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Post by flyingfox on Jan 13, 2018 8:50:20 GMT
Having been a friend of the late Martin Evans, I find I cannot agree with the rude comments of Mr Higham. I knew him to be a shy, generous man, who's work is still appreciated by many who build his locomotives as well as rereading the many articles he wrote, and the fine editorship of Model Engineer magazine over many years. Brian Baker
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Post by ilvaporista on Jan 13, 2018 10:51:41 GMT
I have a sort of hint that Erik-Jan may be interested in making a 5"g Terrier to the Boxhill design by Martin Evans. Cheers, Julian If you read the first article of the series for Conway you will find that it is not a Quarry Hunslet and Martin is very clear that inspiration is taken from many sources. I met him only once but my impression was very positive.
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Post by Lisa on Jan 13, 2018 11:16:29 GMT
If you read the first article of the series for Conway you will find that it is not a Quarry Hunslet and Martin is very clear that inspiration is taken from many sources. Indeed:
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Post by ilvaporista on Jan 13, 2018 11:21:31 GMT
I have a sort of hint that Erik-Jan may be interested in making a 5"g Terrier to the Boxhill design by Martin Evans. Cheers, Julian If you read the first article of the series for Conway you will find that it is not a Quarry Hunslet and Martin is very clear that inspiration is taken from many sources. I met him only once but my impression was very positive. Sorry Julian I quoted the wrong post. That's what happens when older men try to multi-task... What I intended to quote was the post about Conway being a Quarry Hunslet.
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Post by erikjan on Jan 13, 2018 12:55:29 GMT
Well thanks for all the information. A few suggested locos need further investigation for sure. Aspinall looks very nice. The information on this forum about the Terrier is also very interesting. On 7¼" gauge it's even smaller than my T3. The BR Std class 3MT is wonderful........but would me take a life time to build. Magnificent loco and exceptionally detailed.
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Post by mbrown on Jan 13, 2018 16:34:43 GMT
Malcolm, I actually used a HO scale model of the locomotive to measure the main dimensions. With this information I could setup a general arrangement drawing which in turn was used to make 3D drawings in Solidworks. Later a book came available of this locomotive in which a original general arrangement drawing was printed on A3 format. I than discovered that, as I expected, that the HO model was very close to scale. (You can download the drawings of my T3 locomotive in Solidworks format for free from this web-site stoomgroepzuid.blogspot.nl/p/downloads.html ) All the working components (boiler, valve gear, lubricator, etc.) of a live steam model locomotive were drawn/designed to suit this loco; the books of Martin Evans, LBSC and published designs from the Model Engineer, Garten Bahnen and of course information of club members and forums were sufficient information for me to make the locomotive. This was not the first loco I've build.... I started in early 80's with gauge 0 and 1 locomotives and later on built a 3½" gauge 0-6-2 'Mona' to the 'words and music of LBSC' and a GWR 14xx designed by Neville Evans)[/p]
EK-Verlag is a German Publisher who offers a lot of books over specific class of locomotives; quite often general arrangements drawings and some detail drawings and lots of photos are included in these books. And a lot of these engines are preserved...........much better than here in the Netherlands were almost all of the Dutch steam locomotives were scrapped at the end of steam in 1958. On preserved lines in the Netherlands all the locomotives that running here are almost all of foreign origin.
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Erik-Jan [/quote] Thanks for that information Erik-Jan. I wonder what drawings the HO people used to get it so accurate? I am pondering the WW2 Heresfedtbahnen locos - which range from a neat 0-6-0T, an ungainly 0-8-0T (the basis for Sir Drefaldwyn on the Welshpool) and a fantastic Henschel 0-10-0T which I would love to build. All of them were supplied with auxiliary tenders. I have a number of books about them which include basic dimensions and outline drawings, but not quite enough for a really authentic model. I am slowly working my way through the texts with the aid of Google-translate and a German dictionary, but technical German tends to defeat Google etc.! Very best of luck with your own researches for your next model. Malcolm
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Post by jma1009 on Jan 13, 2018 18:59:50 GMT
I met Martin Evans once or twice (being introduced to him by none other than Bert Brock and Jim Ewins). He was, as Brian (Flying Fox) states extremely shy and unforthcoming.
I would just comment that Andy Higham's statement that Martin Evans was a 'conceited arrogant prick' was not my view on meeting him, but I suppose his non-committal answers to any questions might be mis-interpreted. But in my case I was in my late teens at the time and I wasn't building one of his locos!
Don Young was a completely different character, but was also very guarded when discussing certain matters especially valve gears. He could be quite defensive when discussing certain matters in later years, but he was extremely kind and generous to me when I started out building my Railmotor at the age of 16, which kindness and generosity from Don I have never forgotten.
Some of Martin Evans' designs I rate as very poor but can easily be improved. He did do quite a few very good designs and his 'Stratford' in 5"g I would consider his best.
Generally, I don't think Martin Evans was anyway near as good as Don Young though Don did produce on his drawing board a few horrors such a 'Marie E'.
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Post by Cro on Jan 13, 2018 19:07:05 GMT
Erik
The class 3 is lovely but I'm bias watching Mikes progress with it regularly. I think he'll say himself he hopes it doesn't take a lifetime, he has 15 or so to do and I'm not sure he has that many life times!!!
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Post by 44767 on Jan 14, 2018 0:42:29 GMT
Erik The class 3 is lovely but I'm bias watching Mikes progress with it regularly. I think he'll say himself he hopes it doesn't take a lifetime, he has 15 or so to do and I'm not sure he has that many life times!!! Adam Again Adam got in first! I need to respond to Erik's statement that my model would "take a lifetime to build". Especially coming from such an accomplished model engineer, I feel this statement is unfair. Although highly detailed, my design has all the hard work done for you. It's already had all the fabrications and castings designed so that machining is simple. This makes the actual build of this model reasonably quick. Other very detailed designs leave it up to the builder to work out how to interpret drawings, design and make fabrications. It is this which takes all the time in those builds. My drawings have separate fabrication drawings for each part. These show where each laser cut component goes and overall dimensions. The fabrication, as in full size, leaves machining allowance on which is then machined to the part drawing. Similarly, castings are accurate lost wax castings and require minimal machining and, where this is needed, the castings have thoughtful detail added to make machining easy. I already have two builders making models to my design and as quickly as I can get kits of material and castings to them they are through the work and asking for more! See here the CAD model of the dragbox stretcher and Roy's finished part along with a picture of his other finished stretchers. It's up to you, Erik, which model you choose to build but I needed to let others know that this model is not one of those which will take a lifetime to build. Cheers, Mike
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Post by albert on Jan 14, 2018 8:25:26 GMT
hello, I would build a traction Engine. Run it where and when you want to, no track wanted, run it at your club, more interesting to build. Before being disabled, built and made drawings and castings for most, 8 locos, and same againe for 9 traction engines. Albert
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Post by joanlluch on Jan 14, 2018 9:48:33 GMT
I am watching Mike’s work with great interest as he’s certainly doing an outstanding job. It can be regarded as the future of model engineering. His plans are far better and clearer than the currently existing ones from the old model engineers and they cover current manufacturing technology. It’s only a matter of time for other model engineers to consider building more locomotives based on his plans. It’s important that the plans are no longer based on imperial units. It is great for the newer generations of model engineers, and the ones not used to dimensions in inches.
I believe that Erik may appreciate all the above, so I would also suggest him to build the BR SC 3MT 2-6-2 Tank locomotive based on Mike’s plans. I would certainly chose this locomotive and not only for its beauty.
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Post by erikjan on Jan 14, 2018 10:00:06 GMT
44767 Mike ; Please do not understand me wrongly; it is a magnificent locomotive in high quality your building, for which I have much respect. But if you quote me, quote me in full; I only wrote that it would take me a life time to build. That's only stating that I'm not a very fast builder. Even a small tank engine as the GWR 14xx took me over 10 years. The Württembergische T3 even longer. I of course do not know how much time others need for their models. Kind regards Erik-Jan
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Post by andyhigham on Jan 14, 2018 16:58:02 GMT
If I have unfairly critisised Martin Evans I appologise. He may have been having an "off day" when I met him
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Post by 44767 on Jan 15, 2018 10:20:34 GMT
44767 Mike ; Please do not understand me wrongly; it is a magnificent locomotive in high quality your building, for which I have much respect. But if you quote me, quote me in full; I only wrote that it would take me a life time to build. That's only stating that I'm not a very fast builder. Even a small tank engine as the GWR 14xx took me over 10 years. The Württembergische T3 even longer. I of course do not know how much time others need for their models. Kind regards Erik-Jan That's my point. Someone of your caliber saying you'd take a lifetime to complete it will put others off even considering it. I appreciate your kind words about my design but it will not be a difficult model to make for anyone with even half your skills. Mike
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Post by erikjan on Jan 15, 2018 11:08:45 GMT
44767 Mike; Well said! Kind regards, Erik-Jan
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Post by racinjason on Jan 17, 2018 8:12:01 GMT
nice to see everyone playing together happily
cheers Jason.
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Post by fostergp6nhp on Jan 17, 2018 13:53:33 GMT
If I have unfairly critisised Martin Evans I appologise. He may have been having an "off day" when I met him Hmm, I tried to talk to him once as in iirc the series on the 5” 28xx he in reference to GWR colours makes reference to a GWR document he had, I asked him if would be possible for a copy of the document on behalf of a friend of mine who was doing in depth research of railway liveries and colours and in particular the Middle Chrome Green. Martins response was short and abrupt saying all the relevant information was in the article! Which considering that GWR colours were not std off the shelf colours was no help at all as all he had put in the article was that it was Brunswick Green, buffer beam red etc.
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Post by dscott on Jan 19, 2018 0:39:57 GMT
Paddington is a superb design and works perfectly! There was one steaming during the Summer on a Farm Railway. Bit big but as some may know I am scaling them down for my version of the 1500 in 5 inch!
For small and a supply of superb wheels the 517 from Polly he says knowing who was responcible for getting the drawings together for her!
Martin Evans was under too much pressure to constantly churn out new design after new design without getting any of them built and checked. His Wife doing the drawings may not have helped in the comunications between!!!
All I have done over the past few months is to re draw Evey project I am working on before getting close to cutting any metal!
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Post by Midland on Jan 20, 2018 10:29:50 GMT
Hello, Do you have any suggestions for a next project? Did we miss out any particular design? Suggestions or tips are welcome. Kind regards Erik-Jan Stroetinga Eindhoven The Netherlands Hi Erik-Jan You do lovely work and seem to be able to create a master piece out of a mere sketch so let me introduce you to a book by F C Hambleton called Locomotives Worth Modelling. It is full of inspiration and looks to the early 1900s for inspiration. Here are some examples (but well worth reading all through the book)."Heroes of the Paris Exhibition 1889", No 240 'Onward', Midland No 1853, Gladston No 189 and a Caley. Then you will see a 4-2-2 Wigmore Castle from the GWR and more from them although they all look the same really. The LNW Precedents 2-4-0 gorgeous and more from Crewe, Prince of Wales and George V classes. LBSCR C Class goods is worth a look. Then you can look at a NER 0-8-0 No 2116, a whopper. The LSWR produced some lovelies too, try a seven foot driving wheel 4-4-0 or GNR No 1!! I might even suggest a Claughton/ Patriot. One could go modern if you wish but by then the beauty and artistry had given away to BR yuch!! The one man who stands out for producing a beautiful modern loco was Gresley, he was in the same league as Johnson! And this will raise controversy for it is simply in the ey of the beholder!!!! Cheers (running for cover now) D
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Post by dscott on Jan 20, 2018 17:57:41 GMT
Yes I have two pages photocopied from within showing Europa 54? Now this is what Asia should look like with more curves and closer to prototype with inner frames which should give more weight and closer to Prototype. Also a quicker build as the inner splashiers are now included and the reach rod has been improved.
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