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Post by Rob on Oct 21, 2014 21:14:47 GMT
At first glance I thought so too, but no, it's not a SPEEDY. I like the way the buffer brackets are on the outside though, I wish mine looked like that. Roger, I have a feeling that might be the 7 1/4" version. If you have a look at the picture of the castings I posted in my build thread, you can buy those gussets for a reasonable price from Blackgates. I'm going to re-do my buffer beams to accommodate them as it does add to the authenticity. The 5" Speedy was on the same stand as the 3 1/2" Beyer-Garratt if I remember correctly. It looked like the builder had rushed together the plate work as the fronts of the tanks were very roughly shaped indeed.
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Post by Roger on Oct 21, 2014 21:21:34 GMT
Good point, there's not really a frame of reference to see the size. I'll make the buffer gussets at some point but the existing fixings are going to be a nuisance.
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Post by ejparrott on Oct 21, 2014 21:33:07 GMT
Paddington...also known as 7.25" Speedy...only accurate...
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Post by jma1009 on Oct 21, 2014 21:49:56 GMT
as chris deith owns his exhibition site plus owns EIM/TEE, and originally conceived the Midlands Exhibition as a way of promoting his own magazine in competition with ME and it's own very long established London Exhibitions, he ought to be able to offer much reduced exhibitor stand fees? cheers, julian
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Post by Roger on Oct 21, 2014 21:56:08 GMT
It's just greed in my opinion. All exhibition organisers end up doing it. They don't adapt to economic changes and wring every last penny they can from it. It's sad but I guess it's human nature.
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Post by dscott on Oct 22, 2014 8:40:50 GMT
Yes it is a Paddington and I spent quite a long time going over with many close up photos and being impressed with the detail if anyone needs them. Katie was half way through her ice-cream so was happy to stand still. I am currently saving up for a set of drawings for this so then can get some better details etc. David.
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Post by Roger on Oct 22, 2014 8:47:18 GMT
I'd cross check with photos of the real thing before copying too much detail from Paddington. I'm not sure how good a representation of 1501 it is and I wouldn't want to waste time accurately following those details only to find that it doesn't look like that in reality.
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Post by ejparrott on Oct 22, 2014 8:57:37 GMT
I'm no expert, but I'm told it's a very good copy of 1501 done from works drawings
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Post by cplmickey on Oct 22, 2014 11:51:28 GMT
You'd think they'd change the business model slightly and have reduced price for exhibitors/traders, or even make it free. Presumably, the more there is to attract people to the event, the more money they make through ticket sales. Where was that? I totally missed it! I saw the 5" Speedy, but no 7 1/4"! It was in the tent, outer wall..forget the club now... Wasn't it on the Melton Mowbray stand?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 12:04:19 GMT
From the lack of replies, it seems nobody knows who the prizewinners were in category 3! Perhaps there weren't any! No doubt all will be revealed in EIM in about six months' time.
By the way, 'Paddington' is totally accurate, being scaled from the Swindon works drawings. LBSC's effort is like a back-of-fag-packet sketch by comparison, but then he only had the weight diagram to go on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 12:51:47 GMT
------- and of course he wasn't designing for accuracy but more towards "representation" and a quick ( by comparison ) build.........Don't forget David that 7.25" gauge is Hernia-Hunting ground !!---even for an 0-4-0 ...
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Post by ejparrott on Oct 22, 2014 17:19:02 GMT
It was in the tent, outer wall..forget the club now... Wasn't it on the Melton Mowbray stand? I can chek in my show guide when I get home, but I'm sure its Cheltenham, because they also have the 5" Lion with the God awful green painted brass haystack
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Post by Rob on Oct 22, 2014 21:15:30 GMT
To be fair, if I was starting again I'd probably go Paddington instead of Speedy, hadn't realised just how far from the real thing Speedy is, and the further I get the more accurate I feel I want to be. Ho hum!
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Post by Roger on Oct 22, 2014 21:27:00 GMT
To be fair, if I was starting again I'd probably go Paddington instead of Speedy, hadn't realised just how far from the real thing Speedy is, and the further I get the more accurate I feel I want to be. Ho hum! It does make you feel like that, but you can still make a reasonable stab at making it look right. The ugly connecting rods can be slimmed down and better shaped and the cab and buffers sorted out. In the end, it's going to be quite a simple locomotive that we have a fighting chance of finishing. Paddington is a lot more work and a two man lift for sure. It's too big for me even though I would love to have one. Take a look at my pictures of the real thing and you'll see that even Paddington is only half way there. Unless you're going to make an even bigger version, you won't get all of the detail right. In the end, I'm sure I'll get just as much enjoyment out of driving my version of SPEEDY as I would something which is more accurate. I'm not looking to win any prizes, just to make something that looks that part and is good enough. Just look at my picture of 1501's cab and you'll see the futility of getting too obsessed with detail.
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Post by Rob on Oct 22, 2014 21:34:08 GMT
Yes, I'll certainly give it a good go, see how it ends up! I think Speedy will be a two man lift too, 50kg+ in something as unwieldy as a steam engine would likely ruin my back for days.
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Post by Roger on Oct 22, 2014 21:47:55 GMT
Yes, I'll certainly give it a good go, see how it ends up! I think Speedy will be a two man lift too, 50kg+ in something as unwieldy as a steam engine would likely ruin my back for days. I'm thinking along the lines of the cunning sack truck affair to lift and wheel it about on my own. I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man to come up with something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 0:24:39 GMT
A slight modification ( add some rails )..of the Motorcycle Hydraulic Table fits that bill admirably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Post by Roger on Oct 23, 2014 7:01:59 GMT
These are great for big locomotives and lots of floor space but I'd not be able to move in my tiny workshop if I have one of those. I was thinking more along the lines of a sack truck fitted with a hand winch and lifting platform. I could pull something like that over the door step and out to the car, then wind it up and slide the loco into the hatch back. The truck would have to fold to go in too. I think it can be done with a little thought.
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Post by GWR 101 on Oct 23, 2014 8:38:08 GMT
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Post by Roger on Oct 23, 2014 8:56:36 GMT
Yes, that's the sort of general idea but it would probably have to be custom made to fold up and fit in the car. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. At least there are likely to be people at the track to help at that end, it's mainly to get it into the car at home that's the issue.
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