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Post by Nexuas on Feb 3, 2007 21:50:57 GMT
Sorry Denis have only just noticed this again I will give you a ring from work next week.
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Post by Chris Kelland on Feb 4, 2007 8:42:05 GMT
Hi Graham,
Nice to hear from you, Are you coming to the meeting Tuesday evening? I have received your envelope.
Regards,
Chris.
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Post by MOUNTAINEER on Feb 5, 2007 8:29:07 GMT
HI CHRIS, CAN YOU PROVIDE DEATILS OF THE TALK, LOCATION TIME ETC.
CHEERS
GRAHAM.
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Post by Chris Kelland on Feb 5, 2007 16:28:08 GMT
Hi Graham,
A Personal Message reveals all!
Chris.
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Post by maninshed on Feb 5, 2007 19:58:22 GMT
First coment from new member. Great looking engine is mountaineer, I think Don Young's designs are great. If you think the 3 1/2" version is big, some years ago I remember seeing a 5" version, it was humongus, I think a guy in the Derby club built it.
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Cecil Pagets 2-6-2 of 1908. Engine number 2299. Would make a fascinating model....
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Post by simonwass on Feb 5, 2007 23:03:32 GMT
Was that Frank Hammersleys (sp?). I remember seeing it on a CDMES visit to the Derby track. It was HUGE. Thing I most remember was the LED water gauge to Roy Amsburys design. Simon.
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Post by BHMEpete on Feb 6, 2007 17:58:45 GMT
Hello, I'm new here too... Lucky I've found this forum - I'm thinking along the same lines as others, i.e. FR/WHR loco building to 3.5" gauge.. well, 7.25" preferably but anything larger than an England tank loco (Palmerston, Prince and the like) won't happen for me in that gauge. I've thought of various England configurations (various of the locos in various historical states), Russell (1920s FR cut down form infact, I prefer the rounded lower profile) and have even had delusions of Fairlie form (I'm aware there's a few about, seen a Taliesin and a Moel Tryfan online). I'm having trouble deciding exactly what I want to build though, and to what gauge! Perhaps a 3.5" cut down Russell or a 7.25" George (or rather The Princess, depicting the world's first narrow gauge loco in its original condition), doubled up. I've even attempted scaling a few dimensions from 1.75" scale (3.5" gauge) to 3.75" scale (slightly over scale for 7.25", would make a true 7.5"). Thinking ahead, doubling alone would be the best bet for reliable motion accuracy, etc. That gives a true gauge of 7" however, so would end up slightly under scale. Anyhow thinking about George - Nexuas, are you aware that Don Young's wheelbase as drawn equates to a prototypical 5', accurate for Welsh Pony whereas Palmerston (along with Prince and Princess) has a shorter 4' 6" wheelbase (working out at 7.875" for 3.5" gauge)? On recent examination of plans (I too have a set for George) I thought something looked a miss, until I worked out the difference. There's some great vital info here: www.frheritage.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LocomotivesI look forward to following Palmerston construction progress. The type are among my favourite locos - I've never been much of a standard gauge guy. The FR is fantastic and I'm loving the modern WHR.. not that I have any intention to attempt an NGG16! A 'George' based loco is probably my limit..
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Post by greasemonkey on Feb 6, 2007 21:05:19 GMT
Hi All Which of the England locos was it that was mounted on a plinth opposite the original BR station in Bleanue FFestiniog? It was always named 'Princess' but I sem to rememberfrom somewhere that it was actually 'Welsh Pony'. I have fond memorys playing on it as a kid whilst my farther worked on the railway until Iwas old enough to help. I shall always remember the toilets at tunnel Mess south.
Andy
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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Feb 7, 2007 6:53:32 GMT
Hi pete From my experience 5" gauge is the most popular and widely used .I built all gsuges 2.5 to 7.25 and came to a conclusion that 5" G is better for ,size, flexibility, value, handling and more place to run . In my opinion I would choose the size of the model that suit's me then find the engines that will come to that size in 5" gauge and make a choice.
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Post by MOUNTAINEER on Feb 7, 2007 11:57:17 GMT
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Post by Nexuas on Feb 7, 2007 12:42:53 GMT
Hello, I'm new here too... Anyhow thinking about George - Nexuas, are you aware that Don Young's wheelbase as drawn equates to a prototypical 5', accurate for Welsh Pony whereas Palmerston (along with Prince and Princess) has a shorter 4' 6" wheelbase (working out at 7.875" for 3.5" gauge)? On recent examination of plans (I too have a set for George) I thought something looked a miss, until I worked out the difference. There's some great vital info here: www.frheritage.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LocomotivesNo I was not aware of this, as he said in his LLAS write up that it was based on Prince and so I assumed the drawings were correct for the first four engines produced. He also has the round (And frankly very thin looking) connecting and coupling rods which I believe were only fitted to the first four? I am too far advanced now to change this??? as I have the frames cut out and a number of motion parts complete. I am in no way creating a rivit counter's model, just something in the style of which will give an overall impression of the prototype. I am also aware that PALMERSTON is 6" shorter in the cab than any of the other England's, this I will model... For a cut down RUSSELL have a look at ROSS HARRISON'S plans for RUSSELL in 3.5" they build into a fairly true to scale model... As for Shawki Shlemon's comments about 5" being the best scale I have to agree on the point of track avalibility, but have to disagree when it comes to NARROW GAUGE based engines. My RUSSELL could easily pass for a 5" gauge, and the boiler is the size of a small 7.25" tank engine. RUSSELL or MOUNTAINEER or the like in 5" would not really "feel safe" on a rasied track IMHO and so would be limited to sites with ground level facilities only... MOUNTAINEER in 5" would be a dream... I know there is a 7.25" RUSSELL under construction somewhere as it was displayed at RUSSELL 100 not out
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Post by MOUNTAINEER on Feb 7, 2007 13:02:40 GMT
Nexuas,
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Post by MOUNTAINEER on Feb 7, 2007 13:06:55 GMT
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Post by Nexuas on Feb 7, 2007 14:09:06 GMT
Yes have seen it, I know some of it's history... My dad was considering putting an offer in on it before it ended last time, I suggested he e-mailed the guy with an offer of less than the starting bid, but I think mother has talked him out of it. I will give him a ring later to to what is going on.
It must be one of the worst E-bay adds in the history of model steam locomotives...
I even offered to put it back together for him so he could get on with finishing his 7.25" bagnell before he gets too old to do anything with it... It would mean PALMERSTON going on hold...
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Post by thefodenman on Feb 7, 2007 16:00:18 GMT
If anybodies interested theres a 5"gauge Mountaineer finishing on Ebay tomorrow night and suprizingly nobodies biding!!!!! , its not me selling no connection either just thought I'd point it out.
Andy
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Post by alanstepney on Feb 7, 2007 17:49:06 GMT
Looking at the advert, I'm not surprised there are no bids.
Having a starting price and a "buy it now" price that are the same is sure to put people off for a start.
Then there is the looks of the loco, plus the wording of the advert....
Not sure about the worth of it either. Could be buying someone elses mistakes, and the boiler is an unknown quantity. If it hasnt been inspected during the build, some /many boiler inspectors are not going to accept it.
A good chance he wont get any bids, is my guess.
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Post by John Lee on Feb 7, 2007 17:55:49 GMT
Its the same one as above I think Andy..
The, I quote, "98% of all the parts are there, But you might have to remake some" gives you pause for thought at near £3000.
Certainly a bad advertisment if it's actually a good one Nexuas. I'd bet on no bids too.
John
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Post by John Lee on Feb 7, 2007 18:26:45 GMT
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Post by Nexuas on Feb 7, 2007 18:27:24 GMT
As I say possibly the worst E-bay advert in the world...
A bit of a google gave me much more information than two e-mails to the seller. I am very dubious of it, but think it could be salvageable if got at the right price.
Having brought one LEMON off E-BAY (RUSSELL) which required a new boiler, I would always treat it as a none runner and work from there, at the right price this "maybe" the bargin of the century or a big pile of scrap... as I say it would be dad's money and I will let him work it out for himself... I'll just play with it if he buys it and I fix it up.
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Post by alanstepney on Feb 8, 2007 10:50:38 GMT
Unless it, or any other secondhand model, has a boiler certificate issued by a club that is a member of of the federations, (or a reputable organisation) then one MUST assume that the "boiler" is scrap metal.
I did see one engine that "has a boiler certificate". That piece of worthless paper had been prepared by the seller, and signed by his wife.
Club boiler inspectors assume some responsibilites when they sign certificates, and hence would, and should, be very careful about certifying something that is completely unknown.
Whilst that wouldnt apply if someone was solely running on their home track, foranyone in that position, just imagine what ,ight possibly happen to your kids if there was a danger.
So, I repeat, no certificate, no value.
Given that, are the rest of the parts worth what is being asked?
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