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Post by Roger on May 15, 2020 15:16:38 GMT
What a great watch! There are some seriously skilled guys in that clip.....mores the pity that some of those skills are no longer around! Cheers Kerrin They appear to be skills that are alive and well in China.
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Post by Midland on May 16, 2020 11:02:36 GMT
. . . and that sometimes is how I feel I am doing the Princess Royal!!!!! D
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Post by Midland on Jun 7, 2020 9:48:48 GMT
Been vacillating over my last rivetting job, fittng a solid bar around the spectacle plate to take the cab roof. Nothing could save an awful rivetting job so into the bin it has gone and the new one is on its way. This is a bit learning to ride a bike. I can go straight but it is he curves I must master next!!
Cheers David
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Post by Midland on Jun 13, 2020 19:52:22 GMT
Hi All Cab roof on and getting screwed down in places. IMG_2398 by David Goyder, on Flickr All helped by good friends, 'Simplyloco; and Dick Wagner, bless him. Perhaps might get a lick of red stuff on her soon. David
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Post by simplyloco on Jun 13, 2020 21:38:29 GMT
Hi All Cab roof on and getting screwed down All helped by good friends, 'Simplyloco; and Dick Wagner, bless him. Perhaps might get a lick of red stuff on her soon. David Nice to see the lad making progress! John
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Post by rrmrd66 on Jun 14, 2020 7:15:21 GMT
What a great watch! There are some seriously skilled guys in that clip.....mores the pity that some of those skills are no longer around! Cheers Kerrin Apologies David for freeloading on your thread. Have just caught up with this diversion.
Fear not Kerrin and all the other " it isn't like it used to be in the old days brigade".
These were my exact fears as well until I went to see Tornado at The NRM in 2008.
Today all of the skills are still alive in the heritage steam industry, the majority of them in the UK.
There is still much activity on the P2 "Prince of Wales" build, even under lock-down conditions and with the boiler(s) being built in Germany.
See
for more information
Cheers
Malcolm
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Post by coniston on Jun 14, 2020 15:41:14 GMT
Hi All Cab roof on and getting screwed down in places. IMG_2398 by David Goyder, on Flickr All helped by good friends, 'Simplyloco; and Dick Wagner, bless him. Perhaps might get a lick of red stuff on her soon. David Made a nice job of that David, a big improvement on the original one. Chris D
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Post by Midland on Jun 17, 2020 20:23:55 GMT
Chris Thanks, a complement from a pro like you to a wanker like me is much appreciated especially as I forgot the beading around the windows and have had to take it all apart to make the beading, (I must admit under the tutilage of him-in-amble) but I have made a thingy to bend it proper, so soon I will get it all together. Then you will see a PR. Then to the paint department (in 'amble) to make it red-ish. Not sure if lock down helps as I am getting so lazy, but then I am old and senile, please tell wifelet, so I can avoid the bloody garden. Cheers David
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 21:42:43 GMT
Hi David
Love the cab, looks very nice sir...
Pete
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Post by simplyloco on Jun 17, 2020 21:59:19 GMT
Hi David Love the cab, looks very nice sir... Pete TBF I thought that David was putting the name on in Braille...
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Post by Midland on Jun 25, 2020 10:53:07 GMT
Good morning all It seems to me that most people post here to show what a great job they have done. Indeed it is joy to see some of the great work done by the regulars and I often go back to find an example of something I am trying to do. But then things go wrong and these usually end up in the bin or get hidden away. I have a major cock up, pigs ear, absolute catastrophe, utter incompetence, botch up, you might as well add the f word. And I cannot throw it away. Anyway it will soon have a blow torch on it to erase all trace and I will start again. So here is the victim!!! UUUURRRGGGGH! IMG_2415 by David Goyder, on Flickr It looks worse here! Cheers David
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Post by mbrown on Jun 25, 2020 11:00:21 GMT
Bad luck!
Have you tries forming he half round beadings - possibly to a template to get them identical, and then holding them lightly in place with some soft solder paint in the join? Then gentle heating should make it run without any excess.
If you haven't got soft solder paint, you could try tinning the back of the beading once it is formed to shape, and then clamping it in place (having cleaned the cab sides thoroughly) and - again, - heating gently to applying a big soldering iron.
I speak as one who has got the "blobby soft solder T shirt"....
Malcolm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 11:20:18 GMT
Hi David As Malcolm has said, make a template for the window beading, form the shape for all 4 windows, tin the beading and then while held in place heat the area gently until the solder flows, you'll find Bakers fluid very beneficial for these type of jobs, just give everything a good clean with detergent and warm water after. I used some miniature wooden pegs to hold the beading in place with weights on top to stop movement, of course, the pegs were sacrificial, IIRC I bought mine from 'Hobbycraft' Here's a link to my blog page showing how I did mine, one of the big advantages of a blog is being able to index and thus easily find the information quickly. 4472flyingscotsman.co.uk/cab/All is not lost, just gently heat the cab sides from underneath to remove the offending beading, give the cab sides a good clean/file to remove most of the solder, a fibre pen helps greatly here as will the edge of a scalpel blade, once all is flat and smooth start again, no one will ever know.... Kind regards Pete oh... forgot to say, the details on the blog covering the beading is about halfway down the page.
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Post by barlowworks on Jun 25, 2020 11:30:55 GMT
Hi David, don't panic, you can soon rescue that. As you say, get the blowlamp out and clean it all up. I would make up a jig, tin the rear of the beading first then bend the beading to shape beforehand. I don't know what solder you have, I have a 188 degree solder that I would use for this job mainly because its only about 0.5mm thick. Lightly tin the cab side and then offer up the beading. I clamp it in place using ladies aluminum hair grips and place pieces of solder on the edges and lightly play the blowtorch flame over them until the solder flows. I use phosphoric acid flux for something like this. Finally, to clean it up I have a set of Poundland jewelers screwdrivers that are ground up to a chisel shape and are used to pare away the excess solder. I would also finally clean up with a fibre glass brush as it will get into the edges and leave it nice and clean, just make sure you thoroughly clean up after to avoid the fibre glass, you don't want it under your paint.
I hope this helps and I'm not teaching you to suck eggs. let us know how you get on.
Mike
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Post by stevep on Jun 25, 2020 13:06:23 GMT
When I soldered all the beading on my Stanier, I held it in place with wooden clothes pegs - moving them as the torch flame got close. Some of them smouldered a bit, but it ensured that the beading stayed in place until the solder has flowed.
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Post by runner42 on Jun 25, 2020 23:20:39 GMT
Large split pins are good also.
Brian
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Post by Roger on Jun 26, 2020 16:28:41 GMT
It's fiddly, but I'm sure you'll do it in the end. Warm it up and pull them off, then wipe away the excess solder with a flux soaked rag. Consider this as being the tinning phase. I'd be inclined to make a Stainless Steel piece that fits snugly inside to hold it all in place so you can solder it all in one go. You can screw it to a piece of material to hold it at the right height.
All good fun, and one more thing learned!
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Post by terrier060 on Jun 28, 2020 15:12:40 GMT
what flux are you using David. i found bakers fluid the best, but do it outdoors. it rusts everything!! ed
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Post by Jock McFarlane on Jun 28, 2020 16:33:28 GMT
what flux are you using David. i found bakers fluid the best, but do it outdoors. it rusts everything!! ed Despite what it says on the jar, Carrs green label worked for me when I soldered brass beading to 2 mm steel smoke deflectors. I used a small blowtorch and toolmakers clamps to hold the beading in place and a cocktail stick to apply the flux, and a roll of cored solder. I am especially useless at soldering but it all worked from me. I daresay you will find it difficult to use toolmakers clamps for cab windows.
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Post by jma1009 on Jun 28, 2020 21:26:28 GMT
Seconded with Ed for Bakers Fluid
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